Rik Deitsch vs. Boyd Haley's comments:

Excerpt from a transcript of a conference call held June 21,2006.

Deborah: Thank you. What we're going to is take a few minutes to address an assertion that was made by Dr. Boyd Haley, that NaturalCellular Defense does not chelate mercury. I'll give you a little background on that. Boyd Haley is a respected chemist in the field of mercury toxicity and Autism. He recently ran some experiments. He confirmed that the zeolite that's in Natural Cellular Defense does not contain mercury. His experiments lead him to believe, and I'm quoting now from a recent e-mail that was posted by him: "...Natural Cellular Defense does not significantly remove mercury from an Aqueous solution."

He concluded that "If zeolite is having a positive effect, it is not by removing mercury from the body". Rik, can you talk about Dr. Haley's conclusion?

Rik: I really don't understand his experiment. Apparently he had centrifuged down the zeolite to try and get, I guess, a high concentration of the zeolite itself in the Natural Cellular Defense, and then added that to a solution that contained mercury. Again, centrifuged it down and removed whatever was at the bottom and measured the mercury and apparently had the same amount of mercury. I have so many more questions than answers in that case, which is; Was it an atomic mercury or was it a mercury compound. For example, the zeolite is only going to absorb, as I said before, small, highly-charged atoms, and mercury in it's plus three oxidation state which is primarily what you would find in the body, all by itself, is what's going to be absorbed in the zeolite.

You have to question, was it mercury compound, or was it free ionic mercury, what was the oxidation state of that mercury? Then I don't even understand these centrifugation process. Did he efficiently remove the zeolite from that solution or was he simply measuring the zeolite that already had the mercury trapped within it within that solution.

I can't speak to his experimentation which is, of course, was a test tube experiment, I can say that we've conducted three clinical studies now where we measured by atomic absorption spectroscopy the heavy metal content of patients' urine on elimination after using Natural Cellular Defense. Atomic absorption spectroscopy is in fact a quantitative method of analysis and we've seen, at least in highly toxic individuals, like these West Virginia Coal Miners in some cases, a twelve fold increase in heavy metal excretion and much of that was mercury. So I know it helps remove mercury from the body. I don't know how it works in his aqueous solution, but I know it helps remove mercury from the body.

Deborah: Thank you. There's one other question that Dr. Haley posed that I want to bring up on this call. He stated in his e- mail, "It seems very unlikely that a water insoluble material would have any direct effect on removing mercury from cells". Then he asks this question: "How would zeolite cross the intestinal wall and inter cells and do this?" Rik, is that something you can answer?

Rik: First of all, it's not purely insoluble product, in fact zeolite absorbs water very, very well and goes into solution very, very well as a colloidal suspension, so it's not a wholly insoluble product. Additionally, as I said before, we micronize it so the maximum size of any zeolite cage in the Natural Cellular Defense is five microns, but most of the cages exist at sub one microns, which makes it highly digestible in the digestive tract and absorption through the intestinal wall.

The last part of that question was how does it get into the cell to remove mercury. My contention has always been that it doesn't get into healthy cells. Ninety-nine percent of the action of the zeolite is extracellular. So, in that case we're going to be in agreement.

* These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration and the TGA.  These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease, since only a synthetic DRUG can officially do that by law.

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