Transcript of Call about Zeolite with Doctors

Rik Deitsch: It’s always a pleasure to do calls like this. As far as my background, I’m a biochemist. I’m really an academic at heart. I call myself the accidental business man. I realized the only way to get the job done is to put a business spin on things. I’m the CEO of Nutra Pharma Corporation, which is a publicly traded biotechnology company, and we have drugs in clinical studies for HIV and MS. I’m also a nutritional biochemist, and I’d rather be able to prevent disease than to have to treat disease. To that end, I’ve done over 30 clinical studies on dietary supplements, and I’ve formulated dozens of dietary supplements.  The one trend I see that seems to be increasing is the trend of people taking ownership of their health and becoming partners in health with their physicians. Instead of waiting for something bad to happen and having to go to the doctor, they’re trying to be more proactive for their health. Part of that is the understanding that we live in a toxic environment. We’re surrounded constantly by environmental toxins and pollutants, and a great many of the diseases that are so prevalent today are directly caused by a weakened system because of these environmental hazards. With that in mind, I think the watchword in dietary supplements is going towards detoxification. We really jumped in with both feet with liquid zeolite. I’d be happy to take questions now.   

Question:  I’m aware you have a relative who is a transplant recipient. Can you talk to us about the safety of using liquid zeolite with someone who has either a kidney or other organ transplant? 

Rik: The danger in being a transplant recipient is you don’t want to do anything that increases immune system reactivity or stimulates the immune system. So many products claim to be immuno-stimulants or immune system boosters. There is a large population of transplant recipients and people who suffer from auto-immune disorders – like multiple sclerosis, or myasthenia gravis, or lupus erythematosus – and those people can’t do anything to increase their immune system function because, in their case, it is their immune system that is causing their problem. So if you increase the reactivity of the immune system, you could in fact make their disease worse.  Liquid zeolite is not an immuno-stimulant. It’s an immuno-modulatory agent. It seems to make the immune system work more efficiently. So the immune system works better. As such, it is perfectly safe for people with auto-immune disorders and for transplant recipients.

In my personal case, my father-in-law is a polycystic kidney disease patient, PKD, which is one of the most common genetic disorders that causes renal dysfunction. He received a kidney transplant a few years ago, and his BUN and creatinine levels – which are measures of renal function – were increasing pretty quickly over a few months. They thought it could be a rejection episode, but certainly it shows renal failure and renal insufficiency. They were talking about putting him back on dialysis, maybe putting him back on the transplant list, when he started using liquid zeolite. Within a couple of weeks, his BUN and creatinine levels came down sharply, and he was basically out of danger. It could have been that it was a rejection episode, and stabilizing the immune system stabilized against that rejection episode.   

Question: We were told just this past week that we should not recommend or use liquid zeolite for a transplant patient.  

Rik: I don’t know who told you that. We’ve had no problem whatsoever with people with autoimmune diseases or with transplant recipients.  

Question: That’s super. My wife has MS, and I was a little hesitant to have her take it, but we’re watching her anyway.  

Rik: Just so you know, I’ve been working with MS patients for 12 years. If you decide to do some investigation yourself, you can go to NutraPharma.com. We have a drug entering phase-two clinical studies for multiple sclerosis. I’ve been giving nutritional advice to MS patients for the last 12 years. I’ve been working with them closely, and I’ve seen nothing but this side of miraculous results with liquid zeolite and that population.  

Question: Can people on kidney dialysis take liquid zeolite? 

Rik: The question is What if they are already on dialysis? If there is renal insufficiency but they aren’t on dialysis, certainly use the product. There is no issue whatsoever. The danger with dialysis is only that dialysis patients are limited in the amount of water they can drink. To get the best results with liquid zeolite and to eliminate any potential side effects, you need to drink plenty of water. My recommendation with dialysis patients is simply to take a lower dose of liquid zeolite.  You see, as you start to waste these heavy metals and toxins – they’re all considered to be electrolytic by the body – you will lose water. Liquid zeolite is not truly a diuretic. It’s simply the body stabilizing itself against its electrolyte load. Now, of course, these electrolytes are bad electrolytes. There is nothing to replace. You simply want to get rid of this mercury, lead, cadmium, and other toxins. But the body is going to stabilize that loss by losing water.  So if you use the regular detox dose [10 drops 3 times a day], you’re going to have to drink eight to ten glasses of water a day. If you don’t drink enough water, you could experience side effects; 99.9% of the side effects of this product are due to dehydration. A dialysis patient is not able to drink that much water. So the recommendation is to have dialysis patients use lower doses, more like 3 to 5 drops 3 times a day, and to drink what water they can. We have already seen that the zeolite is easily dialyzed out. So, during the normal dialysis, they will be sequestering and removing these toxins.   

Question: I know a glass blower and a sculptor who are concerned about the toxicity of their trades, especially the silver and copper. They’re excited about the potential about this product. Is there anything you could talk to us about that, Rik? 

Rik: I guess I would have to know exactly what hazardous materials they’re exposed to. Some copper is certainly necessary for general health, but hypercupremia can cause nerve dysfunction, etc. Copper is pretty low on the reactivity list [zeolite’s affinity for copper is low].  But what we’ve found is that the lower a compound is in its reactivity to the zeolite, the more concentration has to do with zeolite’s ability to sequester that compound. For example, iron is pretty low on the reactivity list but, if someone has hemochromatosis, or iron overload, some of that iron will be removed by the zeolite because there is such a high concentration of it. So if someone has hypercupremia, there is a great chance the zeolite will pull off some of that excess copper. But for someone who doesn’t, who has a regular copper load, they probably aren’t going to lose any of that copper due to the zeolite.  Silver is the same thing. It has very low reactivity with zeolite. Many people don’t want silver to be sequestered, because they’re taking colloidal silver, and they have a concern that the zeolite might remove that. But we’re looking at silver as part of our atomic-absorption spectroscopy series, studying urinary excretion of the heavy metals, and silver is very low on the affinity scale. So I don’t think we’re going to see much silver come off unless it is in incredibly high loads.